tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-642419311081698439.post7294614605682453762..comments2023-05-15T03:15:43.564-06:00Comments on It's Me, Andrea: People who say they HAAAAAATE UtahAndrea Jolenehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01486079456299123924noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-642419311081698439.post-53867904303455044232009-10-25T17:52:19.644-06:002009-10-25T17:52:19.644-06:00Thanks for the comment "Lex and Chris." ...Thanks for the comment "Lex and Chris." I'm glad Utah has grown on you. Yes, the culture is very unique and I myself struggle with aspects of it. But, I don't let it taint my beautiful Utah experience. There are weird things for sure - but many unique positive things as well. It truly is about attitude.Andrea Jolenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01486079456299123924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-642419311081698439.post-1333262449971629972009-10-24T23:09:08.190-06:002009-10-24T23:09:08.190-06:00LOVED This post. I have been following (blog-stalk...LOVED This post. I have been following (blog-stalking?) you, secretly, for a while. the bag is out because I HAD to comment. <br /><br />I didn't grow up in Utah and so coming here was like coming to Mecca. Though I lived 40 minutes away from church history sites, I wanted to come to SLC. When I came I had a hard time with the culture too. The "culture" is different in "the mission field" (really can't stand that phrase). I also served my mission in Utah (ogden) and so I had to see the pretty and the U.G.L.Y! of mormon culture that seems to thrive where there are large groups of LDS. And as I thought back I realized I have said that I hate utah. And looking back at that time of my life, I have to say that I actually felt that way, but I actually didn't hate the State of Utah, I didn't like the "culture". I have since lived in Utah for five years and I have fallen in Love with Utah. I still have a few issues with the "culture" but I just deal with it. I had to change my attitude and it does make things easier and helps in appreciating the area in which you live. Life is so much easier when we chose to be happy instead of miserable.Lex and Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11535100306381743411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-642419311081698439.post-37804691637560236052009-10-18T09:30:46.543-06:002009-10-18T09:30:46.543-06:00Gina - yes. My post was very specific to those who...Gina - yes. My post was very specific to those who are not of our faith and because of that - hate being here. Of course I wouldn't think that is the sole reason for hating living in Utah. BUt if it IS: then my arguement stands. In contrast, I am friends with with many non-mormons who love it here. My discussion was very specific.<br /><br />I also might venture to add: Have you ever lived anywhere in Utah except Provo? Because my friend, Provo is super weird. Ha! I'm not saying it's bad - but it is not the total Utah exerience FOR SURE. If I were to show someone a Utah experience he had never been here before, I would not take them to Provo. If all of Utah were like Provo - I (a native Utahn) would not want to live here long either. <br /><br />Like I said, I very much enjoyed my time there (because of people like yourself!) but I could not ever live there. It doesn't seem "real" if that makes sense. Now, I know SLC is still "Mormon-heavy" BUT, it is more along the lines of a "normal" city as far as Utah city comparisons to other cities go. In fact, within the next 10 years Mormons in SLC will be the minority. I've spent time "living" out of state briefly (San Franny, London) and feel like I could live the same life and interact with most of the same types of people (to an extent of course) there as I do here.<br /><br />Likewise I've met the born, bread, live and die Utahns (the great majority hailing from Utah County) who come to SLC and experience THEIR culture shock. Culture shock. IN SLC. Kinda crazy. <br /><br />So yes, I hear ya for sure. But my encompassing arguement of anyone absolutely HATING where they live is strange to me and I think, in part, has to do with a bad attitude. Like I said, I don't want to live in Provo and when I moved there the first month I thought "wow... I can't do this" ha ha ha ha! But then I had some fantastic experiences and sought for the unique things about the Provo experience. It made a big difference.Andrea Jolenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01486079456299123924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-642419311081698439.post-12771405123778849072009-10-17T16:46:58.779-06:002009-10-17T16:46:58.779-06:00Reading this I'm wondering if you've recen...Reading this I'm wondering if you've recently had an experience with a non-Mormon who told you they hated Utah...And in that respect, I can see your points.<br /><br />However, I think it's also safe to say that many Mormon's who didn't grow up in Utah and then move here also throw the comment around that they hate it here. Also, I've heard some born and bread Utahns also say the same thing.<br /><br />As for me, I didn't grow up here, and moving here definitely is a huge culture shock. I think that's part of the reason here. It's not that we may hate Mormon's in general, but there is just something strange here, a strange culture that has been created just because of the sheer mass of Mormon's there are. And it's hard to get used to. Many people never do, and I'm sure they are among those that say they hate it here. I'm not sure anyone can fully understand it unless they spend many years out of here, and then come back and see the shocking differences.<br /><br />And on the driving note, I can DEFINITELY say that I HATE Utah Drivers. Loathe, despise, and hate them.<br /><br />The end.Ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10356851322156537730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-642419311081698439.post-73370325281702517222009-10-17T15:10:28.553-06:002009-10-17T15:10:28.553-06:00The driving!!! HA! I forget about the driving. So ...The driving!!! HA! I forget about the driving. So true my friend. I don't know why Utahns are such hazards on the road. I get what you mean about liking somewhere because it's different from where you were. I'd like to live out of state for a time (still love Utah of course) just so I can be person without an assumed label because I'm particularly a Mormon IN Utah. I feel that for sure.Andrea Jolenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01486079456299123924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-642419311081698439.post-14423673281558864172009-10-17T13:57:26.761-06:002009-10-17T13:57:26.761-06:00You make some really valid points, and I like your...You make some really valid points, and I like your argument. How someone can absolutely HATE living anywhere is beyond me. There are certainly those people who can't see the good in things through the bad, or the bad through the good. <br /><br />Being a recent Excommunicated Utahn, I'm appreciating the things in Washington that AREN'T Utahn. I can't make sweeping generalizations like everyone is friendlier in Spokane, or, no one is materialistic in Spokane. That would be as silly as saying that everyone in Utah is Republican. I can say, though, that I've noticed a bit more courtesy in driving. The people in my ward embraced me whole heartedly and were so excited to have me (because their ward has been shrinking). I like the vibe out here. Salt Lake has its own vibe that I really miss and love as well, and I really love Utah as a whole. But Spokane is really growing on me, just because of the non-Utah-ness about it. <br /><br />Just as I can't see why people hate Utah (I really feel like if you HATE it, then you should leave. Why stay in a place that makes you miserable? And Utah doesn't want you if you don't want it! lol), I wonder how people can say it's the "most beautiful place on earth", or as I heard it the other day "God's Country". Well, it certainly is beautiful, but I'm not quite sure that it holds all of the beauty that God has ever created. I think both ends of the spectrum are a little silly. <br /><br />But I do appreciate SLC, and love it and miss it. I particularly fell in love with the Millcreek/Holladay area. I'm jealous of your Park City trip. Take in all the fall colors & the beauty! I'm glad there's someone in SLC appreciating it for me. :)Mrs. Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15207289668154391001noreply@blogger.com